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    by I love you rater haters


I just witnessed one of Shaw Brothers' best movies and I am here to say: I am glad that I am alive.

As I was watching, I think it was pure destiny that Gordon Liu would go on to make "The 36th Chambers..." with his brothers because of how the first fight scene in this movie came about with his talent--wow! I was purely satisfied enough then, but wait, there is more:

The villian Pei Mei (Lo Lieh), wow he gave the performance of his life. So I've got to give it up to his efforts.

The fight scenes were nothing short of amazing, executed by the one and only Chen Kwan Tai.

I was also impressed by the spirit of the movie and I felt like I was in those times, too.

AMAZING MOVIE!!

AGREE?READER COMMENTSAUTHOR
YOne of Chen Kwan Tai's best!Sgt. T
YYou know, I just watched this film the other day and I'm beginning to regret my 3 star rating. However the ending is still a bit stupid except the blood.XslaveX
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    by Sgt. T


Chen Kuan Tai reprises his role of Hung Hsi Kuan from the Shaw classic "Men From The Monastery". In this sequel of fate we learn what became of Hung Hsi Kuan after Shaolin Temple burned down.

In this version he ran into Lo Lieh in his greatest Shaw villain role as White Lotus Priest Pai-Mei! The one-on-one fights between the two make this film. The plot is simple: Chen Kuan Tai spends his life practicing tiger style in order to kill priest Pai-Mei. Unfortunately he dies and the task is left to his son Wong Yu, who combines the crane style with his own version of tiger style, and ultimately beats Pai-Mei with his unorthodox technique.

A lot of people may find the comedy uninspired, but this is still a great film for the action alone. Wong Yu's comedic portrayals are an acquired taste, but whether you like comedy or not this film is worth the look!

AGREE?READER COMMENTSAUTHOR
YThis is one of my favorite films. It must be read as the myth of the creation of Hung Gar/Hung Kuen, the style practiced and revered by director Lau Kar Leung's family.Jeffrey Frawley
YI agree with the fights between Pai-Mei and Hung made the movie but that is the only thing that really made the movie other than Lo Lieh, XslaveX
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    by DarkHumour


It is time for justice after the Shaolin Temple is burnt to the ground. Bring on the fists and kicks.
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YXslaveX
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    by Cinema!




This is one of the most popular "end of Shaolin"-themed epics created by the sensational Lau Kar-Leung. It is the second of the trilogy devoted to the subject, "Men From The Monastery" being the first and "Fist Of The White Lotus" being the third.

When I use the term "devoted" I mean it in the truest sense. Lau Kar-Leung, the director, was intent to show the Chinese people in their real environment and to explain how some events came to pass that affected so very many. The movie grabs you right from the beginning. The credits are not even through when you are swept up in a frenzy of battle. The Shaolin Temple has been attacked yet again as the Ching rulers determined to finally kill all Shaolin and their sympathizers! Pai Mei is a treacherous killer supported by the Manchurians. He is a highly advanced fighter who fights with the aged last priest and kills him. Pai Mei's forces continue the slaughter as a very few Shaolin followers left try to escape. When they find Tung he is mortally wounded and insists the others, including his best friend Hung Hze-Kwan (Chen Kwan Tai) save themselves. Even Pai Mei admits Tung has died a hero. Hung is one of the few survivors and with the others that escape they realize they have no chance of survival and so seek out opera and entertainment shows that travel by boat, red boats to be more specific. In that way they can recognize supporters and be able to escape the soldiers always hunting them.

The red ships go to Canton and that is where Hung meets a spirited martial artist Yung Chun (Lily Li-li) he falls in love with upon seeing her beautiful face. They marry and she and her father join the troupe. But Bak Mei has no intention of letting a single "rebel" escape. He is informed the Shaolin escapees travel on the red boats. He sends his army to destroy them all. Fortunately they discover the plan and scatter across the land, pledging to meet again to kill Pai Mei. Life begins to seem somewhat safe again and he is ecstatic when Yung Chun delivers a baby boy they name Wen-Ding. Although Hung loves his family he finds himself obsessed by revenge upon Pai Mei. For more than a decade Hze Kwan trains hard using in the Tiger Claw form. Even as he trains he is haunted by those that have died, especially his friend Tung. Feeling as powerful as he can be with all those years of training he sets off for the old Shaolin Temple and the final battle with Pai Mei. Unfortunately it doesn't take long before he realizes he not only will lose the match but his life as well! He is the only one who arrives as agreed and is near death when his old friend Hu sacrifices his life to save Hung. But he is in bad shape physically and mentally for the loss of his great friend. With his wife nursing him back to health he is even more determined to have revenge. Amongst the vicious blows and strikes Hung is able to observe some of the characteristics and learns that you must hit certain areas, at specific times in order to best him. His whole focus now is training. He virtually ignores his son and is always talking about techniques and how to avoid them. Hung practices on a device, a human torso sized metal replica that contains ball bearings. He works constantly on improving his speed in catching the balls as they fall through the device. (I have never seen such a training device before this movie nor after.) Hung knows this will be his last chance to defeat his enemy. He is confident but also a bit sad because he knows he may not escape this time. But he is resigned to that as long as he completes his mission successfully.

His family waits but he does not return and his wife explains to their son he will not be coming back and why. Wen-Ding vows vengeance but he has only been trained by his mother in the Crane Form. He knows it alone will not be enough for the task and finds his father's book teaching the Tiger Claw style and begins to practice that as well. But part of the training book is missing, forcing him to combine the Crane and Tiger Claw style as one form, which came to be known as the Hung Gar form. Wen-Ding at last feels ready and sets off for the temple and the final showdown.

[SPOILERS] Wen-Ding is nimble and agile, managing to evade most of the strikes. But since he had perfected a skill unknown to his enemy he is at last able to kill him and bring about long awaited revenge. [END SPOILERS]

There are a couple of notes about this epic. Lau Kar Leung is passionate about representing the people, not only in fighting but in daily life as well. In every movie he directs he makes certain to show the bravery and heroism of "simple" people. One reason he takes such steps in movies about the end of Shaolin is because the Hung Gar form is his own family's form, the Hung Fist. It is said that Lau Kar Leung's father was taught by the real life Wong Fei-Hung.

[SPOILERS] There are two different versions of this film. They are virtually identical from each other except in the very last moments of the fight between Wen-Ding and Pai Mei. The first version I saw many years ago shows Wen-Ding with crane hold on Pai Mei, legs wrapped around his shoulders as he gouges out the eyes and near rips off his face and head. However newer releases stop short of any viciousness or blood by having a subtitle that says something about the hero is courageous (I really don't recall) but the point is that somewhere along the way someone chopped off the ending which I find an injustice. The movie should be seen as it was made! [END SPOILERS]

AGREE?READER COMMENTSAUTHOR
YThis film is a love note to the institutions of Hung Gar. I love it.Jeffrey Frawley
NTerribly boring and criminally overrated. This is a must-not see movie. MS10197
Nthe only reason this film is good is because of Lo Leih as Pei Mei. The ending of the film, though logical, was inconsistent and invidious. Glad you liked though. :) XslaveX
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    by DO63004


The legend of Pai Mei (portrayed here by my favorite Pai Mei actor, Lo Lieh--"Fist of the White Lotus", "King Boxer", "Stranger and the Gunfighter") is again revealed for those who saw "Kill Bill". Typical outlandish stunts that would never occur, and the unwitting hero uncle, but gives the same feeling that one used to get when you watched Clint Eastwood films. It's only a matter of time before the stuff hits the fan and you must demonstrate and execute superior skill to deal with the master, Pai Mei.
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    by VC58819


This is a super classic with heavyweight superstars Chen Kuan Tai and Lo Lieh as the main stars. Please purchase a copy now! It's a great movie.
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    by Mantis Style
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    by shaolin_masterkiller


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    by Mad Manuli




Considered one of the great classic of its genre, I was left a bit baffled and diappointed after watching this. Yes, there's guaranteed Shaw action aplenty; and there's also a story involved, not merely a series of hyper-kinetic ass-kicking sequences. Once again, Chen Kuan Tai is excellent in his role, and Lo Lieh shines as Pai Mei, possibly the ultimate baddie of Shaw cinema.

But let's face it, the comedy here sucks, about 90% of it anyway. A few things that our protagonists do and think are so absurd they feel infuriating, and on top of it all Yue Wong as cross-dressing, gender-bending kung fu expert brat Hung Weng-Ding is WAY too lightweight for being a worthy opponent for Pai Mei.

All in all, perhaps my judgement is a bit undeservingly harsh, being so due to my high expectations; but classic or not, I must admit I've seen better ones from Shaw. Still well worth viewing and owing for any old school kung fu enthusiast, and who knows, perhaps repeated viewings shed some new light on it. At least the story moves differently than your basic revenge plot.

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    by XslaveX




Yes, I'm gonna say this outright and with sheer cynicism: THIS FILM IS OVERRATED!!! Why? Four things:

  1. A trivial reason, but the concept. How many times and how many ways are these people gonna' tell the tragic story of the benevolent Shaolin Temple being burnt down by the malevolent Ching Dynasty? Though the story is primarily based around the concept of Tiger/Crane style and the Tiger Claw guy seeking revenge against Pei Mei, it agitates me to no end to see this retardation. Urgh!

  2. Kung fu action. Though Lar Kar-Leung has made great films like "Eight Diagram Pole Fighter", "Heroes Of The East", and "Legendary Weapons Of China", the fights in this film are weak. I only like the fights between Pei Mei and Tiger Claw man (I forgot his name, SORRY!).

  3. The utter insignificance of Wang Yu. Now, he has done some good films, however his characterization ruined this film. Obnoxious and stupid.

  4. The final fight scene. It wasn't even a fight scene, just Wang Yu acting like a tool. But somehow he gets the upper hand on Pei Mei because he combined Tiger with Crane. Whoopie-doo!

The only reason I like this film is Lo Lieh as Pei Mei, and my dire obsession with the salacious Lily Li, which of course was good enough to give this film three stars. Other than that this film is a horrible waste of my butt. If you like it, fine, I don't care. This is just my cynicism speaking after all.

AGREE?READER COMMENTSAUTHOR
NI can't agree. The whole point of the film is the development of the Hung Gar form, combining Tiger and Crane styles. Wang Yu's performance bothers many people, but it doesn't bother me enough to bring the film down.Jeffrey Frawley
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    by AM46022


One of my favorite Shaw Brothers films.
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    by Se13an


Essential kung-fu classic.
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    by Prayingmantis888


A necessary addition to any Shaw collection. Chen Kuan-Tai gives his usual solid performance with decent tiger style fight scenes. Gordon Liu Chia-Hui has a cameo with the MANLIEST death scene in Shaw history! The actor playing Hong Wei-Ding is annoying and way too effeminate to be taken seriously, but we can overlook him. This is the film that stuck Lo Lieh playing Pai Mei (Pak Mei) the White Browed priest for more than one movie.
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    by AE24151


Love the plot and the action. A true old school move for the karate movie lover.
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    by Joe Scott


Good movie.
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    by LP24516


I loved this film. The storyline is excellent. The fight scenes are very well done. It is one of Shaw Brothers' best films. I would recommend this film to every martial arts movie fan.
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    by CT34797


Great old school kung fu, a classic.
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    by SR11055


Excellent martial arts movie. Encourage other people to purchase this movie.
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    by SB48482


Wonderful!
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    by Jeffrey Frawley


Liu Chia-Liang/Lau Kar-Leung depicts the genesis of Hung Gar, using the magnificent Chen Kuan Tai and the amusing Wang Yu. It's a bit of a stretch to believe Wang Yu's character could defeat Lo Lieh's when Chen Kuan Tai's can't--it's a matter of Hung Gar!
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NThe humour didn't work all that well but it is certainly not garbage!Cinema!
Nsorry but i'm non compliant. wang yu is the whole reason why this film is overrated. the only reason why this film was well loved is becuz of Lo Leih as Pei Mei, otherwise this film would be nothing but garbage.XslaveX
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    by DC52259


I love it! Excellent action and storyline. Pai Mei is one of my favorite Shaw Bros. villains.
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    by Tigerbloodclaw


Great movie by Shaw Brothers, once again. Another tale of revenge, and some very funny parts, mixed with lots of kung fu action. This is a classic movie for collectors of kung fu flix.
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    by Wu-Tang Disciple


This movie probably goes #2 on my top-ten favorite kung fu movies. Lo Lieh playing Pai Mei is my favorite character. I mean, I know you're supposed to cheer for the good guys, but Pai Mei was the shit. I wouldn't even give it a 5 [stars], this movie is a 20.
AGREE?READER COMMENTSAUTHOR
YMS10197 you certainly are entitled to your opinion but I just don't see where you are coming from on this one.Cinema!
YYou're seeing the right kung fu movies. This one is tremendously good. Almost anything from Lau Kar Leung is good, and this is one of the best.Jeffrey Frawley
NYou need to see more kung fu movies. This one is horrible,MS10197
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    by KungfuManiac


This is a good picture, but not the best. The middle of the film does seem to slow down and we get forceful humor along the way, but the action sequences are really the showcase in this film, and I enjoyed my time watching the action. Like I said the replay value is in the action.
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    by Johnnie Freeze


Started out fantastic but dragged a bit in the middle, followed by corny humor. But the action was really good, for what its worth.
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    by Big Will


The movie is good but not great. I love the Chen Kuan Tai training sequences and of course the two battles with Lo Leih. My feeling is "Fist Of The White Lotus" does a much better job on the delivery.
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    by DM32952


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YWhy do people seem to hate so called "long reviews". Too much to comprehend at once? I don't understand it. This film is not subpar.Cinema!
YYour pithy review gets right to the point. *****, indeed.Jeffrey Frawley
NIt is hard to know where to begin when disagreeing with your lenghty review. But this movie is boring as can be, and the fights are subpar.MS10197
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    by MS10197




I know a whole lot of people will disagree, but this film is vastly overrated, to say the least. If you are truly interested in this story, purchase the Lo Lieh-directed "Clan of the White Lotus" instead; that particular film is vastly superior in every way.

Aside from the absolutely remarkable fight scene involving Gordon Liu near the very beginning of "Executioners from Shaolin", there is little else to recommend in this boring film. Even its greatest asset, Lo Lieh, is given scant few minutes of screen time.

The flaws in this film are numerous. The film is so dominated by scenes of Chen Kuan-Tai's extremely mundane domestic life it almost makes the revenge scenario against Pei Mei feel like an afterthought. What little fight action that does occur is slow and uninspired. Moreover, Chen Kuan-tai is never even remotely Lo Lieh's match, even after 17 years of training. The sheer one-sidedness of the fights makes them more tedious than exciting; I won't even go into the absurdity of Pei Mei's kung fu style. And to make matters worse, the training sequences that occur prior to the Hong Xiguan-Pei Mei showdowns are boring, consisting mostly of Chen Kuan-tai banging away on an immobile bronze dummy, when he isn't busy ripping the bark off trees.

But far and away the biggest flaw of the whole movie is the character of Hong Wending, played by the perpetually annoying Young Wang Yu. Regardless of the film, whenever Liu Chia-liang used Young Wang Yu as his comedy relief, it always produced the same annoying-as-hell slapstick result, and this film is no exception. The fact he is portrayed as an exremely effiminate, almost girlish, buffoon with a pronounced lack of kung fu skill does not help matters. That he is able to beat Lo Lieh at the end, after his father had failed twice at the same task even after two decades of training, is an insult to the intelligence of the viewer. This movie is utterly disappointing and completely forgettable.

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NCinema!
Yhit nail on head. ugh! this film is average at best. human beings need to stop with this self-served denial.XslaveX
NI agree with Jeffrey. But MS10197 you have your opinion.Kung Fu Classic Viewer
NBy the time Hung Wending faces Pai Mei he is a master of the Hung Kuen: That's the whole point of the film - Tiger and Crane combined defeating the Bakme style.Jeffrey Frawley
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    by DongFangSue


I dislike this movie. Chen Kwan Tai, Chen Kang Yeh and in some scenes even Lily Li are somehow annoying in this one. Fights seem to be slow and even the training with the iron man is boring. I have watched it several times to find something likeable but not very succesfully. "Challenge Of The Masters" is a much better film.
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YI agree that something is missing from this film, and Wong Yue with an off shoot Princess Leia hair style does not help. Challenge Of The Masters is the superior of the two!Sgt. T
YI have to agree. This film is grossly overrated. The "remake", Clan of the White Lotus, starring Gordon Liu, is vastly superior.MS10197
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    by Kung Fu Classic Viewer


Second installment of Bi Mae. A true classic. Find the weak point if you can. Tiger style to go with it but in the end he gets cheated by Wong Yu. A must-have.
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YThe only possible weak points lie with the humour and questionable costume for YuCinema!
NThe weak points in this one are almost too numerous to count. What a terrible movie.MS10197
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    by AD37279


Another classic Shaw Brothers kung fu movie that I still enjoy, over and over again! Shaw Brothers rock!
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    by Masta Killa


Another great Shaw Brothers flick!
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    by GA41299


Bad-ass movie that is totally ridiculous and over the top. I can't really say there is anything that I dislike about this movie. It's so cheesy, but that's what makes it so amazing. It's the quintessential kung fu epic that confuses Chinese history with fantastic absurdities--that and all those awesome hard zooms.
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    by slave


Overrated or not, this is a great film. Excellent story with some great fights. Pai Mei rules.
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NIt is overrated, you are right about that. However the fights are slow and boring.MS10197
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    by MVR1950


Certainly one of my all-time Shaw Brothers favorites.
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    by Rockdigital


The kung fu was great.
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    by KJ21890


One of my favorites in the Shaw Brothers line-up.
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    by ZM1693


I must say I really liked this movie! The fights are great. (The first fight is a breathtaking fight with Gordon Liu - a shame that he dies here and doesn't show more of his skills!). The story is OK, too. Some characters were a little annoying and the end is a little weak. But it's a real good movie overall.
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Yyes i agree this is a good movie and 4 stars is about right.kung fu kid
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    by PW24563


"This ranks as one of the best from Shaw brothers" It says this on the back of the DVD, and I totally agree. If you liked "The Men From The Monastery", you'll love this. Hung Hsi Kuan TIGER STYLE!
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    by GR36629


Executioners From Shaolin, Executioners Of Death, Shaolin Executioners...no matter what name you hang on the great Shaw Bros. movie, it's simply one of the greatest output from great director, the late great Liu Chia Liang ("Master Killer" Gordon Liu Chia Hui's older brother), with the most spectacular, absolutely great display/execution of the Shaolin tiger's claw on film to date. Rounding out a who's who of an all star-cast are Lily Li and Wang Yue.
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    by a75


Excellent. One of my top five favorite Lau Kar Leung movies, and that's saying a lot, the man is a genius!
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YI won't put it at #5 and yes Lau is a genius!Cinema!
NThis is one of Lau Kar Leung's worst, if not the worst movie he ever directed. What a snoozer.MS10197
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    by JAY LEE


Not a big favorite of mine, but nonetheless a decent Shaw flick with some great fights and cool training sequences.

I felt it dragged a bit in the early part, with the opera boat and wedding stuff. But picks up again when Chen Kuan Tai starts training for his revenge on master whitebrow. And speaking of... the evil Pai Mei is probably Lo Lieh's best role ever, I always liked him better as a bad guy. And one of the most memorable villains in kung fu cinema.

So, apart from the slow spots and the fact that Wang Yu looks like a girl due to some questionable hair and wardrobe choices, this movie is pretty cool. I do however prefer FIST OF THE WHITE LOTUS over this one.

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NNot only does it drag in the early part, it drags throughout.MS10197
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    by MP29124


Not Lau Kar-leung's best work but still a solid one.
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    by CK12818


This is the one movie that I always remember from my childhood of watching kung-fu marathons. If you are looking for the best example of a student seeks revenge flic, then this is one one. But the fight scenes and story rises a step above that clique`. Really, get this one if you want to enjoy a great kung-fu story.
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    by VC7514


A great movie! This movie got me hooked on Chen Kuan Tai and Pei Mei. The fighting scenes are realistic and well choreographed. The viewer really gets an opportunity to root for the good guy then root for his son. A very satidfying movie for great martial arts as well as a plot that keeps you interested. Lo Lieh is awesome as the main villian!!!
AGREE?READER COMMENTSAUTHOR
YIt's quite entertaining if you pay attention. It's not about just kicking some MF's ass.Cinema!
NWell, it sure didn't entertain me. I was so bored, I almost slipped into a coma.MS10197
Yyou're right this is a great movie sure to entertain.kung fu kid
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    by WM17963


After 20+ years and finally seeing this film again...still one of my favorites. Not to be missed.
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    by //8144


Fine kung fu film, but just misses from being perfect because of an annoying girl-boy son, stupid comedy, and a very very disappointing ending. On the bright side, it does have some sweet fights and awesome training scenes.
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YThere has to be some information given before fists and weapons fly.Cinema!
NAll the negatives you mention dominate the film, so I am perplexed as to why you gave this garbage four stars.MS10197
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    by THE DUDE!


Great start and finish but a bit boring in the middle.
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    by JR146


Wanna' pick up and old school kung fu flick but not sure wich one to pick? Don't worry, this flick is slammin'! Definitely some good acting here from Lily Li and others, along with nicely choreographed fight scenes.
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NIf you are not sure which one to pick, get Fist of the White Lotus instead of this boring junk.MS10197
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    by Abram Tamez




NOTE: This review refers to the DVD by Ground Zero and we have not verified any of the allegations contained in it.

I have only seen the old VHS version of this movie. However, the reason that i've decided to post a review is because of the reviews i've read, each one states that the final scene ends abruptly. Unless i'm mistaken, the DVD doesn't show what happens to Bai Mei. Please e-mail me if i'm not correct! What's strange to me about that, from what i remember of the the original movie, is that the final scene does conclude:

The young man finds Bai Mei's weak spot on top of his head! Using the crane's stregth in the legs, the young man latches onto Bai Mei's shoulders and squeezes him so that he does not fall (the way he used to when he was a kid!) Finally, he uses both beak hands to poke out Bai Mei's eyes. Blood gushes everywhere, Bai Mei spins around dramatically, and collapses dead...

Is that not in this DVD??? If not, how disappointing! Perhaps the scene was too gory? (i highly doubt it - i've seen worse).

Strange...

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YMy review from a long time ago... and glad that someone else out there also remembers the ending - the original print apparently lost or damaged! Good movie - one of the few that references the origin of Hung-Gar! And the Bronze Man training is top notch 9 Dragons Shi Jin
YI have seen the complete ending and you are right. Now they just sort of say what happens. I thought maybe the part of the film was in bad shape.Cinema!
Yyes man you are right about the ending the vhs has the complete version when i was a kid i ny i seen that ending in the old kung fu theatre around my old way and i got that years later on vhs after beta died why dont they have it on dvdSP42220
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    by Scott Brown


This is one of my favorite kung fu films. It is one of the few that actually draws you into the plot. The fighting is excellent and Chen Kuan Tai is superb as usual. By the end you will want Lo Lieh (Pei Mei) dead!
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YIt does draw one in and shows the reasons why people take certain paths.Cinema!
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